The outpouring of positive comments from our friends across the country has been absolutely overwhelming. Please keep the emails and phone calls coming - we are delighted in the reassurance that this issue is so important to so many.
Thank you for your support and encouragement!
Dear Pastor DeBusk,
Thank you for appearing on CNN this morning. I found it both encouraging and upsetting.
You were clear and concise and stayed on message. I found Miles O'Brien's questions to be fair and balanced as in the spirt of Fox News being fair and balanced. You did not allow his attack questions to divert you from your message.
Keep up the good work.
Next time I am in Jacksonville visiting family, I will make sure I join you and your congregation in worship.
Posted by: James from Chicago | June 16, 2006 at 03:43 PM
Dear Pastor:
I just saw you on CNN, and I am very proud of you and your church. If I were a citizen of Jacksonville, I would be making a beeline to your house of worship. I live in New York, where we have been following the debate in Massachusetts very closely, as well as our own states efforts to decide on this issue, which really should be a non-issue.
To answer the question that was asked of you, about whether this tactic compares witht the publication of the names and addresses of abortion doctors, I would say that the difference is that citizens who are seeking equal marriage rights for same sex couples are simply not going to resort to violence as a means of achievement, which is what many misguided people have done in response to abortion doctors. Your interviewer knew that, everyone knows it, but he used that question illegitimately as a lowball tactic to make you look bad. Thanks for not taking the bait and staying on point.
Good luck with your continued efforts, and may peace and good tidings be yours.
Posted by: Matthew from New York | June 16, 2006 at 03:44 PM
Good morning pastor,
I want to complement you for your end of your interview with Miles O'Brien this morning. I was very impressed with your ability to stay on topic !
I will tell you that I share with many persons ambivalent feelings about gay marriage, but I strongly support each person's civil , constitutional rights. I should also say that I struggle with our society's shallow regard for heterosexual marriage!
As a United Methodist lay employee, we are all caught up in the same struggles and SHOULD continue to dialogue and to be in prayerful ministry together.
Posted by: Susan from Arizona | June 16, 2006 at 03:50 PM
Hello, I'm hoping to reach Gary DeBusk- I found this email address online, but I have no idea if it's still current. If this reaches someone else, I'm sorry to pester you!
But if you do read this, Mr. DeBusk, I just wanted to say I saw your brief interview on CNN this morning and was appalled at how you were treated. It was evident from what you said, and from what I read about you online afterwards, that you are a compassionate man who does good work. I think anybody with sense in their heads knows that whatshisname, the reporter interviewing you, was floundering and trying to trap you with semantics, and you simply refused to play along, without being nasty or snide. That's a talent, and I don't know if I would have been able to refrain from calling him something terrible. You held your ground and managed to get your point across, even while being badgered. It made for a few minutes of awesome tv, and it made me curious enough to look you up and see who you are and what you are doing. I bet a lot of people felt the same way - at least, I very much hope so.
Thanks for all you do.
Posted by: Jessica | June 16, 2006 at 03:52 PM
Dear Pastor DeBusk,
Thanks for your efforts to curb efforts in Florida to deny equal rights to gays and lesbians. As a gay Episcopalian in Atlanta, I am so frustrated when people use their "Christian" principles to try and discriminate against me and other gay and lesbian citizens, as the State of Georgia has tried to do (and may try to do again in November). It is refreshing when true Christ-centered people stand up for equality and take action in such a thoughtful and deliberate manner.
I e-mailed Miles O'Brian this morning following your interview and thought I would share that message with you:
"I am VERY disappointed with the manner in which you interviewed the church pastor in Florida regarding the same-sex marriage issue. I understand it is your job to be probing, but quite frankly, I never see the media probe the far right with the same tenacity you showed this morning. Your analogy of posting abortion doctors' names or the Family Council's analogy of posting the names of gay citizens doesn't hold up--those are not matters of public record as are the names of people who sign a petition in favor of a constitutional amendment. Our democracy is about transparency, and anyone who signs a petition (or votes, for that matter) has his/her name on public record.
"Furthermore, I am highly offended by your question of "is this what Jesus would do?" I never hear the media ask the far-right, Republicans, or George W. Bush that question when they advocate limiting the rights of taxpaying, law-abiding citizens. I hope you will show a little more balance in your coverage of this issue in the future."
My thoughts and prayers remain with you and your congregation as you struggle to do what you know is the right, Christian action--opposing discrimination.
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28
Posted by: Chip from Georgia | June 16, 2006 at 03:56 PM
I want to make sure that you remember what you are doing is a) courageous, b) Godly, and c) worth it. Jesus ministered to the discarded and outcast of his society, not just by happenstance, but focused on them in particular and on purpose. You do the same and try to take heart in knowing that he is with you the whole time. The steps you take in peace and faith are good, even though and especially if the world doesn't get it.
The world didn't get him, either, you know? You're in good company. :)
Posted by: Heather in Lakeland | June 16, 2006 at 04:00 PM
Rev. DeBusk,
I saw your interview on CNN this morning and want to thank you for the information you put on your website. I fully support the steps you have taken to provide this important information to the public. I think Mr. O'Brien was ridiculously out of line with his attempt to compare your website with those that print the addresses and phone numbers of individuals, which you have not done, you simply provided the names of people who signed a public petition. I commend you and wish you all the best.
Posted by: Lisa | June 16, 2006 at 04:02 PM
...Why do the theocratic elite want so much to cling to old testement justifications for hatred and hope for divine smiting of those with whom they disagree, and yet call themselves Christian while rejecting the teachings of Christ...those teaching which involve love, forgiveness, aid to the poorest.
Certainly a doctrine of pre-emptive war, efforts to reduce aid to the poor, and restricting access to health care are anti-Christian positions and yet the conservatives have somehow linked those who advocate Christ's position with communism, and thereby convinced the people in this nation that advocating what Christ actually taught is both anti-Chrisitan and anti-American.
No wonder Jesus wept.
Posted by: Todd | June 16, 2006 at 04:03 PM
I just saw your interview with CNN's Miles O'Brien. I wanted to drop you a note of support for your decision to promote public awareness and stimulate a dialog about the proposed amendment to Florida's constitution. Your critics would be disappointed to know that I am a straight man and a born-again Christian. While those that support this proposed amendment might prefer to remain unidentified, I would proudly and publically proclaim my support of your efforts.
Thank you for your work
Posted by: Jerry in Virginia | June 16, 2006 at 04:04 PM
Thank you for the "Know Thy Neighbor Florida Website" that
your church has provided. The website has given me an
opportunely to check and see if all of my family and
neighbors have signed the Florida Marriage Protection
Amendment petition or not. It's great to see a list so I can
be able to call my family members and neighbors who have not
signed the Florida Marriage Protection Amendment petition
and encourage them to do so.
God Bless!
In Christ,
Bob
Titus 3:4 But when the goodness and loving kindness of God
our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of works
done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy,
by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy
Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus
Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by his grace we
might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
(ESV)
Posted by: Bob | June 16, 2006 at 11:33 PM
Thank you for creating this website. I hope that the website will serve to incite discussion between neighbors and not to give people easy access for attacking their neighbors. I am thankful that I can now see which of my neighbors stands united with me on the issue of homosexual marriage.
Thanks again and to all keep these words in mind:
"If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. . . How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?"
-Hebrews 10:26-27,29
"Keep on loving each other as brothers. Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some people have entertained angels without knowing it. Remember those in prison as if you were their fellow prisoners, and those who are mistreated as if you yourselves were suffering. Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral."
-Hebrews 13:1-4
Posted by: Stephen | June 17, 2006 at 07:25 PM
While surfing around the web this morning, reading blogs, I happened to come across your website. This is the greatest thing I've found on the web this year. As a gay man living in suburban Broward County, Florida, I really would like to know how my neighbors feel about this subject. All except for the family 2 doors down, who I thought was wishing my partner and I would die for moving onto their street, have been supportive and friendly, inviting us to events in their homes and bringing over home tomato sauces and the like. In being a supportive member of my neighborhood, I've called the police to report near-breakins in my neighbors cars, and had the police set up a radar speeding device on my own front lawn in an attempt to slow traffic down on our street. But when I found this handy tool, I decided to see if my fears were true about my neighbors.
Happily, I can report that, so far, I haven't found any of my neighbors on this petition, nor any of my staff from my office. I'm hoping that it stays this way, too. Thanks for providing an important and strong research tool. I can't quote any Scripture like many posters, but I can say that I'm all for "Love(ing) thy neighbor", as long as I don't find their names on this list.
Posted by: Jay | June 18, 2006 at 08:58 AM
After surprisingly finding some of my thought-to-be-supportive neighbors in the Search, I "confronted" them with what they had done. We had a very productive conversation that yielded 2 results: they realize they need to think about everyone they know when signing such petitions, and I learned that parishoners can be cajoled into doing such things, by peer and authoritative pressures, within their churches. (I do not attend any church and did not realize what it was like.)
We must all get the word out to those who do attend churches that push any political agenda: think about what you might be supporting AND get involved to put a stop to it.
Posted by: Gary | June 19, 2006 at 04:21 PM
I too realized the importance of this website. It gave me the perfect opportunity to verify that my friends and relatives living in Florida know about the petition drive and get a chance to sign it before it is too late.
I don't believe any church should be sponsoring a web site promoting sin and immorality like pologomy and homosexual marriage. But since they have decided to I'll put it to good use.
To Rev. or Pastor Debuck and all the others that are living and supporting this lifestyle. Jesus still loves you, but wants you to repent before it's too late. I'll be praying for you all.
Posted by: Joe | June 20, 2006 at 11:49 AM
Thank God for someone who is willing to say the word Jesus in a sentence and it mean something. Jesus loves all of us.
I believe exactly as you do Joe and cannot even imagine what pandora's box this will open if the definition of marriage is changed to fit into this way of life.
And that is exactly what it is....lifestyle.
Anyone who disagrees with that can read 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 in the Holy Bible.
It specifically speaks to homosexuals as well as other people who have sinned.
We all have fallen short of the glory of God and only by His son Jesus Christ are we washed clean and forgiven.
I am scared of the people that continue to use the Lord as an excuse to do what they are doing, by saying that love is what is perfect and we should all love one another that God wants us to love one another. Yes that is absolutely true, just as Jesus loved us.
He also stayed with lepers when no one else would, or the sick and dying or the persecuted, but He also taught them the one true way to everlasting life as well and told them to turn and sin no more and healed those who were sick, and on and on.
God is who established the marriage between man and woman, it is by His perfect design that marriage was created as such. This country was built on Godly principles...hence "In God we trust",
If it is changed then are the bisexuals going to be able to marry two people, one female, and one male? No one wants to answer this question for me.
If the definition of marriage is being challenged then what are the homosexuals, transexual, bisexuals, transgendered, cross dressers, etc. going to have it changed to?
Someone please answer. If you are fighting for such a big right as you so call it then let everyone know what definition you want it to have?
You all have rights as United States citizens, and changing that because of who you CHOOSE to have sexual feelings toward is wrong, in the eyes of the law, in the eyes of Christ, and in the eyes of the majority of the American people.
So when someone has a specific answer to these questions then fill me and the rest of the world in instead of just screaming about your sexual orientation.
It is so loud that no one is understanding what you are saying. So clarify what it is you are fighting for. You cannot just say it is the right to marry. Because the definition of marriage is not that broad under the law right now. So in order for it to be changed, you are going to have to have specifics that you are looking for.
Bigomy and polygomy are against the law and this is an issue, so if bisexuals marry then you have to change the bigomy law, if man can only have one wife and wife one husband, then bisexuals can have one wife and one husband. What is it going to be.....someone please answer this one for me.
Posted by: Al | June 20, 2006 at 04:28 PM
Al,
First off, your interest in bisexuality requires me to point out that it does require a person to be with both a man and a woman at the same time. Bisexuals simply are open to love and intimate relationships with men or women. Just person a man likes women doesn't mean he likes *all* women.
Also, the tired slippery slope argument is bogus. No one is marrying a goat or their SUV or the color green. Marriage is a legal contract between two consenting adults (certain states have interesting age limits for adults...). A man having several wives, while it is a Biblical concept, can lead to jealousy and imbalance (who's the favorite wife?) and is not equivalent to a caring relationship between two consenting adults.
Posted by: Thomas | June 20, 2006 at 07:45 PM
Al,
First off, your interest in bisexuality requires me to point out that it does NOT (my typo, he got me so excited), does NOT require a person to be with both a man and a woman at the same time. Bisexuals simply are open to love and intimate relationships with men or women. Just person a man likes women doesn't mean he likes *all* women.
Also, the tired slippery slope argument is bogus. No one is marrying a goat or their SUV or the color green. Marriage is a legal contract between two consenting adults (certain states have interesting age limits for adults...). A man having several wives, while it is a Biblical concept, can lead to jealousy and imbalance (who's the favorite wife?) and is not equivalent to a caring relationship between two consenting adults.
Posted by: Thomas | June 20, 2006 at 07:48 PM
Okay, thank you for clarifying this. I am just baffled by the definition that you are trying to change and needed to know what was meant by it.
If it becomes legal then we will all have to live with it.
I don't agree with it, I was not raised to believe in it and I believe the Bible tells me it is wrong.
These are MY beliefs and moral values, I believe that is what God has taught me through His divinely inspired words.
There is no other agenda here. I just want others to know that there are caring Christians out there that even though gays do not believe as I do, this does not mean they are hated, mocked or despised by me. Jesus said love those who persecute you, love thy neighbor as thyself. I believe it is the Lord who should judge and not other people. "Take the plank out of your own eye before taking the splinter out of your brothers".
These are all Biblical quotes, and If I believe any of it I believe ALL of it.
So therefore I will try to abide by it, the best of my ability.
Thank you for allowing me to express my views and beliefs. It is because of my strong Christian beliefs that I cannot support Gay unions.
This does not make me a horrible person anymore than you are for your lifestyle.
We will all be held accountable on judgement day for the lives we lived and the people we mistreated.
And the laws we have violated in the eyes of God, Christian, non-christian, and so forth and so on.
Love is what makes the world go 'round. Don't like the sin but love the sinner, this is also one of God's commands.
This means everyone. You may not like the way I treated you but that doesn't mean you have to dislike me. This is for all families and friends.
God blesses those who live according to His calling.
It is our interpretation of what that calling is that leads to uncertainty and judgement in people.
God bless to all,
Al
Posted by: al | June 20, 2006 at 09:14 PM
Good evening everyone,
I won't even begin to try and address everything that has been said, pro/con.
I'm just an average Joe who believes Jesus Christ is my Savior and the Bible is the Word of God.
I guess what bothers me is how people can pick and choose what parts of the Bible are relevant. To me, it's all or nothing. Not just parts that support an agenda or a lifestyle and disregard the rest.
I'm not going to even try and provide quotes from the Bible, but, my average understanding is homosexuality is a sin, therefore unacceptable in the eyes of the Lord. That doesn't mean Jesus loves a homosexual any differently then a heterosexual, but, he won't condone the sin.
It seems to me, alot of people are promoting the secular reasons to stop the petition, but, no Biblical reasons. Yes, I believe Jesus loves everybody, but, that doesn't mean he's gona let you into the Kingdom of Heaven if you condone/engage in sin.
I think the Bible pretty much sums it up in my heart and mind. Marriage is between a man and a woman. What scares me is that we even have to think about a constitutional amendment to preserve that Biblical principle in a "Christian" nation...
Sorry, don't mean to offend anyone, but, would you rather I lie to you?
I'll be signing the petition and mailing it in tomorrow.
Put my name on a web page/list. The only “list” I care about is in the “Book of Life” and I pray my name is on that list.
God Bless America.
In Christ,
Average Joe
Posted by: Average Joe | June 21, 2006 at 10:21 PM
Thank you for summing that up for me exactly how I would put it.
I and all my family members have signed this petition and I believe the Bible and all of what it says 100% I believe Christ is my savior and Lord and has washed me clean of my sins. I am forgiven
Posted by: alma | June 21, 2006 at 11:32 PM
Average Joe wrote:
"It seems to me, alot of people are promoting the secular reasons to stop the petition, but, no Biblical reasons."
Exactly.
The Constitution of the US, the Constitution of Florida, and the Constitutions of the other 49 states are not religious documents. Hence, there is no need for a biblical or otherwise religious argument. Keep in mind, there *is* no official state religion in the US. That is strictly forbidden by the very first amendment in the bill of rights. That amendment also allows each of us to choose and practice our own religious beliefs.
Some people work on Sundays; some don't. That's not a matter for state law.
If we were discussing church law, and having a synod, congregation, or temple meeting, then yes, it would make sense to refer to a religious text. This is simply not the case for this petition.
Please remember that when most elected officials take their oaths of office, they rest a hand on a Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution; not the other way around.
Posted by: Thomas | June 22, 2006 at 01:40 AM
Good morning Thomas,
I hear your words and they have great secular weight. I've wrestled with the same logic, truly, I believe in equality. I've stood for it, marched for it and served for it.
But, I believe in the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost first. There seems like there's a contradiction at times, and when confronted with one, I'll choose the Biblical course.
I truly believe there would be no America if it wasn't for God's blessing. One of the main reasons’s for America's creation was religious freedom/persecution. But, we're slowly "deleting" God in the advance of "political correctness" and "equality".
Now, before you go critical on me about "equality" above......and I can't be too long winded, gotta go to work....
If, the Constitution/Bill of Rights preserve my right to practice my religion, basic "Christian", (with in reason, no sacrifices or anything like that....average stuff) Then why is the government telling me how to practice my religion and my religious beliefs? One, example, then I gotta go:
1. Christian family/kids declines to rent an advertised room in their house to Homosexual couple.
Family is sued for holding to their religious convictions and loses everything.
Basically, what I'm getting at, I got to take a stand, now. My religious beliefs are being suppressed slowly but surely and if I don't take a stand now, I truly fear the minority political correctness will govern the majority of timid.
That's the secular reason, Biblical, God loves you, I love you, and we don't want you missing Heaven.
Would love to continue discussion and I appreciate the being able to agree to disagree.
God Bless,
Average Joe
Posted by: Average Joe | June 22, 2006 at 09:34 AM
I think we can all see an example of Average Joe as a person who speaks softly but stands firm in his beliefs without persecuting anyone. That is what Christianity is all about.
I feel that if everyone wants to take the issue with religion and God mixing in with the government, then why are we putting our hand on the Bible when an oath into office is taken, why isn't it some other book. The Bible is what is used the Bible is God's Holy word and the Bible also teaches against the very things some of the government is for.
To me, I feel that no one wants to speak of it being a Godly issue because it convicts more people of their sin and no one wants to face what the Bible says is immoral. I am not just talking about homosexuals, There are many corrupt politicians that put their hand on that Bible and swear an oath to their country.
I am a sinner just as anyone and everyone else is. The only difference is I have asked Jesus to come and live within me and forgive me of my sins, and by his wounds I am healed. I use God's instruction in the Bible to guide me to strive to live a better life and to be loving to my neighbor and to those who persecute me, and to those who are persecuted for their beliefs.
I stand strong in my beliefs and I believe homosexuality is a sin. I believe it is a lifestyle that is against the moral principles I believe God wants for us.
So is abortion, it is murder, especially the partial birth abortion is particularly a heinous crime to humanity. But I do not hate the abortion doctor, I just despise w what he does.
You see I am not changing the words in the Bible to suit MY convictions, I am changing MYSELF because I am convicted.
I believe that is what someone said in one of these earlier postings.
More and more the Bible and prayer is being taken out of the picture.
There are even stores where I live that are not allowed to say the words Merry Christmas because the word Christ is in the holiday term. To me this is a violation of our rights. From freedom of speech to freedom to worship as we choose.
The Christmas holiday is based on the birth of Christ...hence the word Christmas.
Yes it is man who set the date and time of year we celebrate it, but we celebrate it because of the birth of Christ.
The one who came to this world to save it from sin.
Yet we are allowed to say Happy Hannukah, or Happy Qwanza, or any other term but if we use the word Christ we might offend someone.
It is not us that are fighting YOU, the homosexual, it is US standing up for the definition as it is defined.
YOU are the ones fighting to change it.
I am not angry, I am not hateful or full of rage.
I am a loving Christian person, with a calling from Christ to let others know about His saving grace.
This will make alot of people disagree with me, I still will not waver in my belief in the sanctity of marriage or GOD. As I am sure you won't waver in yours to change it.
America at best is a confused nation.
Take prayer out of schools but ask us to pray when the country is at war.
Take Christ out of Christmas but celebrate December 25th all over the nation by giving people time off of work for the holidays. What holidays are they celebrating?
Don't mix church and state, but swear on the Holy Bible to uphold your office.
Don't mix church and state in the courts, but have a building many years old that supports the justices with the ten commandments chiseled right into the front of the building.
But force another government office to take out his Ten Commandments for others to see or else.
Can't carry your Bible to school or have a Christ centered club, but force Christian children to sit in a class that teaches evolution.
I know this firsthand because my daughter had to learn this and take a test on it in order to pass the class.
But when she raised her hand and spoke up that she didn't believe in this and was not going to learn it, she was punished for it.
Don't believe in homosexuality, but if you want to be a foster parent in the state of California, you must first go through mandatory training about children with same sex parents, even if you are a heterosexual married couple that is the one who wants to sponser these children.
Why can't we teach these children Christianity, and heterosexual relationships? because that is considered a mixture of church and state and violates the rights of the child.
So yes I agree with Average Joe, in that we are slowly deleting God in advance of political correctness and equality.
If it were a homosexual couple that refused to rent to a Christian couple there is no way the government would support the lawsuit, it would be considered descrimination.
So there is a lot of hypocrisy in all forms going on in the political, and religious arena. It is a pastor that sponsors his church and website and boasts of God's love, but has changed the words of scripture to imply that some of them imply they support homosexuality.
It is a homosexual Pastor that is screaming equality and also preaching the Bible and changing the words and their meaning, to suit the needs of his congregation. So it is not just heterosexuals that are using their religious belief for a stance. (Pastor DeBusk)is who I am referring to.
He can be on national television, speak on God and homosexuality, but Get Dr. James Dobson, or any other well known Christian pastor, and he is laughed at for the values Christ has taught him to teach to the nation.
Ane he is considered a hostile, unintelligent man.
But yet both men were trained and have degrees from the seminary, ones who teach the Bible and all it stands for.
Pastor Debusk's bio states all about his background in Biblical education.
So I believe he knows the Bible extremely well, yet that is the exact thing that allows him to change it to his liking for the sake of equality.
Revelation 22:19: "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
Thank you for allowing me to disagree and for allowing me to post my beliefs on these various subjects.
THere are cosequences for our actions no matter what those actions are, just as a child is corrected from his errors, so our Heavenly Father wants to correct us.
We don't truly love our children if we don't correct them in the way they should go in life, and the have to suffer consequences for their actions in order to learn and grow up to be resposible human beings. If we did not discipline them they would grow up to be unruly, disrespectful, unloving children, who had no regard for others.
The same is true for all of us and the direction the Lord wants us to go.
Believe it or not. It is a matter free will, God gave us the choice to follow His words or not. It is what we choose that causes so much tribulation.
Posted by: alma | June 22, 2006 at 01:53 PM
Right-wing religious zealots don't have the courage of their convictions if they're afraid of having their names published. They need to understand that when you put your name on a public list that has the potential to affect other people's lives, then you should be prepared for the publicity.
As to the gay marriage issue, conservatives are about eliminating options whereas liberals are about giving options. The conservatives are anti-freedom, basically.
Posted by: jon | June 24, 2006 at 09:22 PM
Hi everybody,
Wow! That was quite statement Alma made and there’s a lot of Biblical truth in it.
And Jon, there is merit to what you say too; I guess the method used caught a lot of people off guard. Basically I think Jesus said that if we deny Jesus/God in public, so will Jesus deny knowing us before God on the Day of Judgment. So, Jon’s right. If we don’t stand up publicly for our conviction, we’re hypocrites!
As to Jon’s statements about conservatives/liberals, well, that casts a pretty wide net. Classifying conservatives/liberals so generally is “stereotyping”, something I try to avoid.
And to say “conservatives are anti-freedom”....I know a lot of conservatives, and liberals, who have died protecting your “freedom” and other people’s “freedom” all over the world.
It seems to me when people are intolerant of people with different/opposing views; they tend to throw terms like “Right/left-wing religious zealots”, “anti-freedom”, “conservatives/liberals”. To me, that’s an intimidation tactic, and when someone/group start doing that, it diminishes their creditability with me.
I guess I’m basically “conservative”, but, I think I’m open minded and I try to weigh all the facts, as I find them, before I make up my mind. Did I not agree with Jon on some parts, but, disagree with him on others? Isn’t that what a “discussion” is suppose to bring about?
“The conservatives are anti-freedom, basically.” well, I’m basically conservative and I’m not anti-freedom. The problem becomes, when another person/group expectation of freedom interferes/suppresses another person/group’s expectation of freedom. I think that’s where we’re at to some degree.
On my side of the fence, I feel like my religious beliefs are being suppressed where others feel I’m suppressing theirs. I don’t know a “politically correct” answer/solution. I can only honestly say that I truly believe this suppose to be One Nation under God. I believe the Bible is God’s word is there are no exceptions. I believe if there is a conflict between secular expectations, or other religious beliefs, the Christian standards set forth by our fore fathers, guided by the word of God, take precedence over others.
I don’t like offending people, but, I don’t like having a few trying to dictate to the many their beliefs/life-style. Well over the majority of Americans, in poll after poll, say marriage is between a man and women, to use a secular argument. Biblically, homosexuality is a sin and is unacceptable in the eyes of God.
Given a choice to follow “Political Correctness/Equality” or to follow Jesus, I choose Jesus. I pray you all will too.
God Bless everyone!
Average Joe.
Posted by: Average Joe | June 27, 2006 at 08:07 PM