Watch CNN Footage of KTN Florida

Christ Church of Peace Pastor Gary DeBusk talks about KTN FLorida with CNN's Miles O'Brien.

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[Kaela Street]

Congratulations to the speaker fighting for equal rights; to limit the ability for people to propose an amendment to the constitution that would limit other peoples constitutional rights. Don't get drawn into other arguements about homosexuality, pedaphelia, lesbians or anything personal. Stick to the point. Is it fair, to ballot for an opinion, when the use of that opinion, is not properly revealed or countered for and as a result of that ill gained viewpoint, propose an amendment to the constitution, an amendment that is not fully understood by those who signed the poll or gave their opinion?

[Lainee]

Gee, would Jesus actually TALK with people who didn't necessarily agree with everything he said?

Um, ya, I feel he would.

[Wolf]

Here is a simple solution for everyone who doesn't want gay marriage... Give up the extra rights, privileges and obligations that come with heterosexual marriage. Give up the automatic inheritance, the automatic visitation rights, the right to prepare taxes together. Make the marriage of a man and a woman simply a religious thing not coming with any legal rights and viola I won't want it anymore. The only reason many of us want equal access to those rights for our relationships is because it does grant you over 1000 rights, privileges and obligations under the LAW which is supposed to be equal for ALL and it's not. So if you don't want to grant those same rights to everyone then grant them to none.

[Bill from Melbourne]

Please be sure and check out www.florida4marriage.org 's website. They have a press release about the FL Knowthyneighbor site. I hope that there is some type of counter to this. I fear they are right though....knowthyneighbor may backfire.

[Steve]

For those supporting homosexual marriages, please explain how we can have staunch laws against polygamy, but homosexual marriages stand at the forefront of the issue. If marriage is re-defined as that family unit between two loving individuals, where will we draw the line as a civilized nation? Will a man be able to marry a goat if he so desires? If not what standard will you use as a legitimate principle by which he will be refused his choice?

[Neal Mc.]

Gay marriage is completely anti-God, anti-science and anti-society. No legitimate evidence has come to support prohomosexuality just a bunch of emotionally charged rhetoric such as calling the people that love you and want you to truly know God and be free from sin as hateful and unintelligent...besides look at The Netherlands, Canada, Massachussetts and anywhere else homosexuality is endorsed...it always harms children.

[Andrew]

Neal Mc is not just wrong, he's incorrect. The Netherlands, Canada, and Massachusetts all have lower infant mortality rates (4.96/1000, 4.69/1000, and 4.9/1000) and lower child poverty rates (9.8%, 14.9%, 12% )than say, Texas or Florida (6.4/1000 and 7.5/1000; 20.5%, 17.6%).

Endorsing equal civil rights harms children? Not true.

*Data from US Census Bureau, UNICEF and CIA Factbook 2006.

[Joe]

I can't believe that this is a real church sponsoring this. Simple facts from the bible.
1 Cor 6: 7 Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated? 8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

Rev 3 15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.

It's not me to judge, but this sounds like a lukewarm church to me. The Lord will be returning soon. All this increasing sin and immorality is proof. This has been written in the bible. Wake up folks, get right with God before it is too late.

[Comments from Straight White Female]

I would like to comment on the interview Miles O'Brien had with Pastor Gary DeBusk from Jacksonville, Florida on the disclosure of petition signers for the "Marriage Protection" amendment. Your newscaster acted like an obnoxious ass. He made it quite clear how he felt about the issue by the way he refused to let Mr. DeBusk answer questions he asked. If he wanted an answer to the relevance of listing abortion doctors names to listing petitions signers for this amendment, he should have given his guest a chance to answer instead of interrupting him. Ditto on refusing to let him explain the relevance of the protection of pregnant pigs law in relation to this amendment. I thought newscasters were supposed to report unbiased information, not utilize their position to air their own personal hatred. As Mr. DeBusk eloquently pointed out, this is a civil rights and equal rights issue, and a great deal is at stake for good, decent tax paying citizens who may be denied about 1,400 constitutional rights the rest of us take for granted. If Miles O'Brien wanted to take issue with the public information given on Pastor DeBusk's church website, he should be arguing the point with the Florida Secretary of State and/or the Supervisors of Elections, whose policy is to make the names of petition signers public information. Instead, he wasted valuable air time attempting to incriminate a CHURCH for information ANYONE can rightfully obtain, when the real issue, that this is not about "Marriage Protection", but about creating a second class citizenry, much like African Americans 50 or so years ago. As for "malicious", "intimidation" "tactics", as your reporter stated, petition signers make their opinion public when they sign any petition. They are perfectly able to maintain privacy of their opinion by not signing a petition. If someone is willing to take a public stand by signing a petition, why all of a sudden do they supposedly not have the courage to stand up to their convictions? And, again, as was stated by the pastor, since Massachussetts initiated this effort and Jacksonville modelled their website after theirs, making these names public reduces the chance of fraud and possible misunderstanding of the purpose of this mis-named amendment. If Mr. O'Brien wants to have a forum for gay bashing, maybe you could recommend he crawl back into the Cro Magnon cave he oozed out of. Shame, shame on you CNN for letting him act as an agent of hate.

[Rev. Ralph]

If you want us to obey one of the laws from Leviticus then I get to obey them all. That would include stoning non virgin brides to death, taking of slaves etc etc... Put biblical law into the laws of the country and I want that as law as well. This means no more lobster, clams, oysters or shirmp. You can not pick and choose the laws out of the bible to put into laws of the country. After all unless you are God you don't know which one's God finds more important than others do you?

[Rev. Ralph]

As to the goat question - if the goat pays taxes then the goat should get equal rights under those taxes. I work, I pay taxes, I get equality.

[Joe]

You are a Rev. Ralph? Then you should know that Leviticus is old testament law which we have been relieved of when Jesus paid the price for our sins. The passages here clearly state Cor 6: meaning from the book of Corinthians chapter 6. Last time I looked I found that under New Testament which defines the path to eternal life through our Lord Jesus Christ.

I don't need to sacrifice lambs, goats, or other animals. Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice for us all.

[Rev. Ralph]

Yep I am ordained and yes I do know that the laws of Leviticus are in the old testament... however that is where the people that are saying that there shouldn't be gay marriage are getting their umph from... They always cite Leviticus and since that is just ONE of the laws laid down there and that is the one that they keep citing I say that if I must obey that ONE law out of Leviticus then by all means let's pass them all into laws so that I can stone the non virgin bride Etc.

And if we are relieved of the Levitican law then why should there be any problems with gays? If Jesus abolished those laws on what grounds do the so called Christian right base their hatred of gays? Where did Jesus say that it is an abomination? Where did he say persecute them? Where did he say that they should be denied equality?

Ok and so we go to Corinthians... where it states that fornicators etc and effeminate shall not inherit the kingdom of God.. so effeminate women are forbidden the kingdom of heaven? or does that just apply to men? I've seen plenty of effeminate heterosexual men... So they are denied the kingdom of heaven... Ok so I'll move to the fornicators... fornication is unwed sexual intercourse... So I know of no one NONE that can inherit the kingdom of heaven NONE... And if Jesus died for our sins then they are gone. Allow marriage in the gay community will make the fornication issue mute. Also why should Christian values be applied to non Christians?

BTW I never said that I was a Christian minister, I'm ordained and therefore can prefix my name with Rev.

And until I can see an accurate translation of the text that hasn't been edited by every pope, king and potentate I doubt every word in the bible... After all I beleive that fairly recently the word that was taken to be witch as in "suffer not a witch amoung you" was found to actually mean assasin or poisoner.

And since that same text says that revilers are not going to inherit either then those that hate gays aren't going to heaven either.

Rev. Ralph

[Emproph]

Thank you Rev. Ralph for your sane insight.

And for our Corinthians 6:9-11 mongers, let's not forget Luke 16:18:

"Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery."

So is everyone who has divorced and remarried going to burn in eternal hell along with those they’ve remarried?

And since Jesus didn’t say anything about homosexuality but did call divorce and remarriage adultery, and adultery is ALSO listed in 1Corinthians 6:9-11, wouldn’t divorce and remarriage be an even worse sin?

Oh and just for clarification, I’ve already heard the confess the sin of your divorce and remarriage and then you can continue living the adulterous lifestyle with impunity 'argument.'

[alma]

Read the verses after the ones you are quoting--it states in verse 11 of chapter 6 in 1 Corinthians : "And such were some of you:but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, buy ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit.

This means the ALL who were sinning that were washed by the blood are no longer living as these sinners anymore, by grace they are saved from their sin.
This brings on a whole new meaning then to just use one verse.

What are you a Reverend of? Mr. Ralph?
It cannot be one that proclaims Jesus as his Savior or you would not make the comment about doubting the Bible.

And by the way, It states in the Bible that we ALL fall short of the glory of God.
It also states that the ONLY way to Heaven is to believe in Jesus Christ, that He died for your sins, and by asking him to forgive us and be Lord and Saviour in our lives, we will have eternal life in Heaven with Him.
He gives us the choice to make this decision.
We are all equal in the eyes of God, we are all sinners, and we ALL can be saved by the blood of Jesus Christ if we WANT to.
So if you quote the Bible be sure that you are using the scriptures that back up the things you are saying, without leaving out the part that changes the meaning of the verse you use,
and if you DOUBT the Bible why are you quoting it at all?
I am a sinner just like the rest of us, the only difference is I am forgiven because I believe Jesus died for my sins and lives with in me.

Oh, and as far as fornication....I waited until I was married to have sex....I was 26 years old. And I had a few long term relationships before I married, I controlled my self...difficult yes.....impossible NO!!!!!
It can be done. It is all a matter of self-control, that's what makes us higher than the animals., the ability to reason and use our brains to make good choices.

If the law states you cannot get married then you have to abide by the law. If you are using the fact that the law prohibits you to get married to have sex with whomever you want then you are not different than those that CAN get married under the law and choose not to, but have sex anyway.
Homosexuality is an unnatural state and goes agaist God's perfect design between man and woman. He made man and woman for each other, he designed their bodies FOR each other. It is the choices we make that violate those principles, not God who does these things to us, it is what we do to God that is sad.
I believe the Bible 100%....some things I don't like in the Bible, but that is because they convict me to do right and no one wants to hear about the mistakes they are making, it makes us uncomfortable, it makes us excuse and justify our behaviour if it is wrong.
That is man's sinful nature. No one wants to suffer consequences for our actions, but it is the consequences that teach us to be stronger and to learn from them and to eventually choose to NOT do the very thing that brought on those consequences to begin with.
If we never have consequences, we never learn to do what is right.
Believe the Bible or not, Believe in Jesus or not...that is YOUR choice to make. If I believe in it ALL 100% and it turns out be false(and I do NOT believe that)
than what have I lost by living a better life in Jesus Christ's forgiveness.If it IS true (and I KNOW it is) then what have YOU lost by NOT believing.
Everything my friends......what have you got to lose by not believing? An eternal life with Jesus Christ our Lord in Heaven.
Again it is our choices that can change the entire world, look at all the consequences from the bad ones do far.
So which is the better choice?

[Rev. Ralph]

Again I ask why do Christians have the right to force non-Christians to obey biblical laws?

And frankly if the only people that are going to be in heaven are "Christians" I don't really want to be there, it would be fairly boring.

Would it be right if say another religion non judeo-christian were the majority for that religion to force their beliefs over on the Christians? No the Christians call this persecution.

And frankly by not using my title properly you loose my respect for continued debate. I'm ordained in a faith different than yours you should still respect that ordination whether or not you believe as I do. I call a Catholic priest brother or father, I call an ordained Christian minister Rev etc... It's a sign of respect for one who has studied their belief and committed their life to it, just because it differs from mine does not mean that I don't respect their dedication.
Where in the bible does it command you to force others to follow your belief - no where. It says to practice your faith and lead by example. It says to talk to others about your faith etc. It does not say to legislate and make into laws the precepts of the bible. It does however say "render unto Cesar that which is Cesar's." Which has always been taught as obey the laws of the country in which you reside it doesn't say change those laws so others obey our rules. Our laws say all men are created equal. It doesn't say if they are heterosexual or white only.

And the reason I quote from the bible is because it's being used to attack me and mine. If we were a Muslim nation and it was to Koran I would quote from it, if we were a Jewish nation and it was the Torah I would use that.

The laws in the majority if not all of the states do not prohibit sex in any way between two consenting adults so long as none are harmed...

If you attack me with a sword I fight back with a like kind of weapon.
I'm being attacked with the bible so I use it to fight back. . . most Christians only cite one verse here and there to make their point I fight back the same way... Fine lets go onto whole book fighting in the books of Corinthians Paul is talking to a certain group of people - not us. He is also saying not to use the Law to right your wrongs but to be wronged and go on with your life. So fighting to ban gay marriage as law is against those letters as well. It also says that circumcised or uncircumcised is the same before the eyes of God. So why are little boys routinely mutilated - why not wait and see what they want. I remember a case where a couple from Africa had their baby here in the United States and they were persecuted and even prosecuted for practicing their faith and circumcising their daughter (removal of the clitoral hood same thing as foreskin) So every parent and doctor that performs circumcision on boys should be persecuted and prosecuted for the same... You say it doesn't hurt and frankly I'll say bull. It does. I remembered it and asked my mother why the doctors cut me... she cried... she was told that I wouldn't remember...That was when I was 3. I knew, KNEW, without a doubt that I was gay when I was in first grade, I knew I was different before that... So was I corrupted or abused no... I was as I was born.

You say that Jesus relieved us of the obligations of the old testament then the "Ten Commandments" have no sway either? They are old testament.

You see, Mr. Joe, I have studied the bible - probably much longer than you depending on how old you are. I've read it several times. My father was/is a Minister in the United Methodist Church. I know the bible fairly well and can generally find what the radical fundamentalists are using to persecute me and then find something else that says that it's not right. Again I say give me an unadulterated translation of the original text and we'll talk as if it were a religious document - as it is every king, pope and potentate that had it under their power to change it did... Either for their own gain or for the ensurance of their power.

If it's my right to beleive or not in Jesus and God then it's also my right to obey or not the laws in the Bible and if that is my right then Marriage of Gays and Lesbians shouldn't be a problem.

And if you take religeon out of it it would actually boost the taxes that a state takes in, all the marriage related items are taxed, all the marriage license fees, etc. So it would add to the city and state coffers. You can't say that it would increase the divorice rate as it wouldn't do anymore harm than heterosexual marriage would to that rate. And it would be just the right thing to do. Make everyone equal - either take away the bennifits of marriage from those who have it under the LAW or give it to those who get the marriage certificate and have the ceremony. Many people who are not christian get married is that wrong? I've seen non religeous people get married at the courthouse - should that be against the law? Only those of this faith can be married...

My beleifs and the beleifs of my mother's people say that homosexuality is fine that those who are homosexual are actually more in touch with the spirit world than non homosexuals and are even to be revered as shamans and people of power. Until recently most Native American's beleived the same it was only after Christianity went in that they became a bigoted people.

[nel]

Frankly,
If Rev. Ralph would be bored with Heaven and it was full of Christians, what kind of minister does that make you?
Anyone can be a Reverend. That does not mean we revere you.
We should be scared of people like you. But then again, if you are not going to Heaven then I guess we have nothing to worry about.
Everyone wants to judge everyone and without using the Bible to back up any of my statements, I will tell you what I think of homosexuality.
It is unnatural, unbalanced, mentally debilitating, emotionally scarring to the person who says he is homosexual, and to those he surrounds.
I think it is vile and dehumanizing. Yes you say we are all humans, that is right we are all part of the human race. Skin color and ethnicity is what makes our races up. Not whom we choose to have sex with.
And that is what it all boils down to.
And everyone wants to justify their behavior by trying to get everyone to believe that it is normal, natural, and acceptable to be homosexual.....You are not anymore homosexually born than any other person in the human race.
You already have special rights as a citizen of the United States, so quit your whining and live with it and quit trying to change the law to fit your sick twisted ways.
Just live the way you want and quit trying to push it on everyone else. You can be gay if you want or if you don't.....Have sex with whomever you want and just call it what it is....
Immoral, sexually permiscuous, and unnatural.
And notice I did not use the Bible as a tool to disagree.
The fact that you and other Reverends, ministers, and priests, and preachers call themselves these titles are the very ones that say you cannot use the Bible...blah...blah....blah....
Quit trying to live under the guise of a respected Reverend and holy person to justify and minister to the confused people of your congregation and start living the example you are suppose to be as people of the "cloth"......this is what is truly IMMORAL>>>>!!!!!!!!!!
As far as homosexual people being more in touch with the spirit world.....well.....you certainly are spirited......
Oh by the way....I am a homosexual..or was at least living that way for a while....and yes I believe that it has cost me enormous amounts of pain, indignity, and disgust by those who view it as immoral....
I too am viewing it this way....You see I was born a heterosexual male, who by believing a group of vile disgusting perverts, who convinced me that I was gay and should be the person I was born to be.
Well I was NOT born a homosexual...I was attracted to females, and still am....It was a group of people that chose to live this lifestyle that tried to convince me otherwise....it is called peer pressure people.....get over yourselves.....grow up and be what you are supposed to be...and that is part of society that teaches us to live by moral standards......choose what you want.....be who you want.....but leave the rest of us who are trying to live decent lives alone........

[Emproph]

I finally watched it. I never realized what a complete and utter nitwit Miles O’Brien is. You could see how passionately angry he was, he was practically foaming at the mouth. It’s clear where he stands, -blame the victim.
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Some Highlights, and then some:

-Miles O’brien: “...Come up with analogies here, how do you feel about the people who post the names and addresses and phone numbers of doctors who perform abortions for example, do you feel that that’s appropriate?
-Pastor Gary Debusk (knowthyneighbor): Well again, that’s really off of the topic..
-Miles O’brien (cuts him off): No no no no no, it’s actually a pretty good analogy, it’s a pretty good analogy here, and I’m asking if you’re consistent about this because if you’re going to put peoples name out there you should probably be consistent about it, correct?

Five times Miles O’Brien tried to pin him down with an answer to an incongruous analogy and five times Pastor Debusk calmly stood his ground stayed on topic.

Kudos to you Pastor Debusk!

And NO Mr. O’Brien, it was not a “pretty good analogy.” Had you compared the unborn themselves posting the information of those abortion doctors, or women who had been forced against their will to have abortions, THEN it would have been a “pretty good analogy.” We’re talking about VICTIMS posting the names and addresses of their OPPRESSORS here, pretty much any victim/oppressor analogy in that vein would have worked.
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Onward, same interview.

Since that didn’t work. Miles O’Brien then brings up this priceless little gem of an analogy from John Stemberger, State Chairman of Florida4Marriage.org, in response to the KnowThyNeighbor.org website:

“Imagine what would happen if a conservative church group posted online the home address of every gay-identified citizen in Florida? It would be decried as a witch hunt and an un-Christian hateful attempt to mark gays like pedophiles…”

Translation: “Look at what those child molesters (whom we would never call child molesters) are doing to us!”

First he depicts petition signers as victims by comparing them to the very people they are intent on victimizing, gay citizens, in order to show how unfair it would be to expose people for merely existing. Then he then equates simply posting someone’s address with “marking them as a pedophile.”

The man used a victim analogy tailored specifically for it’s gratuitous use of the words gay and pedophile in the same sentence in order to depict Florida4Marriage as an organization that would never resort to such scurrilous innuendo.

The only thing Florida4Marriage.org hasn’t already done in Stemberger’s absurd cry-foul analogy IS to post the names and addresses of every gay citizen in Florida. Their pastor’s resources section reads as a ‘how to’ manual on the character assassination of all-gay-persons.
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On the cbs4.com video newscast clip (link on this site), I'll refer to her as Ms. M. (gay marriage opponent), in response to the news of knowthyneighbor.org said: “It would cause people to then, maybe target us, and try to intimidate us.

So Ms. M. doesn’t want to be targeted or intimidated but it’s perfectly acceptable to her and her christianist ilk to say the following things about me and every other gay person on the planet, via the Florida4Marriage website:

(Remember, this is just one of their so called arguments like this in ‘support’ of marriage.)

[[Former Congressman, William Dannemeyer read the following statement written by Michael Swift in Gay Community News:

We shall sodomize your sons …We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, etc…they will come to crave and adore us...”]]

It get’s worse from there, but you get the point. There’s one little problem though, they omit the title.

This is the opening line of piece, the caveat, which Florida4Marriage OMITS so they can present satire as fact!:
"This essay is an outré, madness, a tragic, cruel fantasy, an eruption of inner rage, on how the oppressed desperately dream of being the oppressor."

Check out the scoop on it here, it gets even better.
http://rainbowallianceopenfaith.homestead.com/GayAgenda.html

One of their favorite lies, it’s also on their power point presentation, the downloadable version to show church groups etc., just how sick, perverted and evil all-homosexual-persons are. This one, as well as the example below made it well beyond the boundaries of the website itself.
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One of the more despicable attempts to portray all gay persons as pedophiles. (Florida4Marriage, Pastors resources section, ALSO on their power point presentation):

[[Growing influence of NAMBLA (North American Male Boy Love Association) which shamelessly promotes sex between adults and children. This organization has not been endorsed by most gay and lesbian publications, but it has not been condemned either.

Their motto, “Sex before eight or else it’s too late.”]]

1. Since they (F4M) can’t honestly say all homosexuals are pedophiles they do the next best thing, dance around the subject in order to make it seem like there’s a connection. Another vile attempt to portray and connect two people, so in love, that they are interested in committing to each other for the rest of their lives, with the act of raping children. Just another “this isn’t discrimination, we’re just protecting marriage” arguments courtesy Florida4Marriage.org.

2. And when was the last time you described child abuse as something that happened BETWEEN two people? How about assault between two people? Murder between two people?

3. The disclaimer that “This organization has not been endorsed by most gay and lesbian publications” is dismissed by “but it has not been condemned either.” Implying that somehow we are responsible for going out of our way to condemn child abuse yet haven’t done so!

4. Ending with: “Their motto, “Sex before eight or else it’s too late.” Ensuring that the reader walks away wondering if those are the sentiments of ALL gays and lesbians.

Those examples are just the tip of the iceberg, yet poor little Ms. M. and her supremacist ilk are concerned about becoming targets because their names and addresses were posted online specifically because they’ve ALREADY targeted every gay citizen in Florida, not just to deprive us of equal rights but to paint us as pedophiles in order to do so!

These people think they don’t deserve to be targeted based on truth but think it’s Christian behavior to target others simply for existing with deception, distortion, omission and innuendo, and all in the name of Christianity and EVERYONE who's signed the petition.

Their behavior smacks of a level of moral depravity that can only be described as SATANIC.

No they’re not bigots, they don’t hate gays, it’s all about protecting marriage and the children. That’s also not acid rain melting my car, it’s poorly buffered precipitation.

Their cries of persecution thud with less credibility than a wolf in sheep’s clothing crying wolf.

Cry me a river.

[nel]

Cry me a river is right......homosexuals, pedophiles, perverts, sexual deviants, lesbianism, bestiality, etc,....they all belong in the same realm.....
All have to do with SEX and no one wants to really call it what it is.....IMMORAL
so justify it any way you want, do whatever you want, just quit trying to shove it down our throats already. Get married, don't get married, have a hundred sexual partners, have one......no matter how you look at it you will still be homosexual and even if the law allows you to get married, and legalize perversion, you will still be a homosexual....you chose it now deal with the consequences, don't punish us because of how you choose to live.
And DON'T even talk about the crap of how "OPPRESSED" you are....I have a copy of a letter that some of you e-mailed one of the people who commented on this site and it was violent, indecent, and threatening, and used profanity on more than one comment. And it was given to the police and the news stations...
So this website only adds fuel to the fire with your gayness and twisted up ways.

[Rev. Ralph]

All we are asking for is the same rights. Let us have the same rights. To compare homosexuals and lesbians to pediphiles is wrong considering that most pediphiles are heterosexuals with issues communicating with the opposit sex. Compare us to bestiality is to say that either a man or a woman is a beast unless they lie only with the opposit sex.

Who are you to decide what is immoral for others? Who made you into a god?

If homosexuality is a choice then I challange you choose it for an hour a day and actually act upon it see if you can choose it. Even if the act is only to get sexually arroused thinking of nothing other than a member of the same sex... Can you choose it? If you can't choose then homosexuality isn't a choice. Of course if it is a choice I choose when I was 3 or 4 because that's when I knew KNEW I was different it was when I was 5 or 6 that I KNEW what that difference was that I was attracted to men. Get off the so called choice issue unless you know exactly when you choose or didn't then don't say it was a choice.

[Owen R. Broadhurst]

Nel wrote:

"It is unnatural, unbalanced, mentally debilitating, emotionally scarring to the person who says he is homosexual, and to those he surrounds."

Factual basis exists for not one of these remarks.

"You are not anymore homosexually born than any other person in the human race"

The logical corollary to this would be that no one is born heterosexual, either.

"Just live the way you want and quit trying to push it on everyone else."

We're trying to lives our lives in peace and dignity, yes, and that is why we back this effort. Ask yourself why we should allow you to force your religious views on us.

"Have sex with whomever you want and just call it what it is....
Immoral, sexually permiscuous, and unnatural."

I'm not familiar with the word "permiscuous". I presume you mean "promiscuous". Equal marriage rights advocates support the legal recognition of monogamous relationships and you know this.

I presume you know full well, also, that arguments of "it" being "unnatural" are similarly without foundation, and that we do not believe it "immoral".