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June 14, 2009

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John Hosty-Grinnell

No one should get a pass Tom. People need to be informed on their actions and their consequences before they take them, especially when it is as important as government. The ramifications of allowing this wording on a petition are terrific.

The Patriot

Greatjob WA

LANGS' HATE FEST CONTINUES

Give it up

The Patriot

how's that Obama working out for ya?
How's that DOMA thing working out?

John Hosty-Grinnell

"Hi, I saw your green card handout and wanted to notify you that my
lover- a 37 years old transgender male was beaten by four young women at
Government Center last night at about 8pm after Gay Pride receiving a
black eye and scratches"

The legacy of hate continues...

The Patriot

Its a lie and exaggerated BS. Where are the news stories Hosty?

The Patriot

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/punews/local_story_269093929?page=0

The Patriot

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/puopinion/local_story_270115756

AmericanSDL.com

So if anyone disagrees with the LGBT or says no to the LGBT they are haters, backwards, uninformed, just to use some of the nicer things you'll call them. How civilized. I especially like the way you threaten people, the Gestapo would be green with envy. You see the biggest problem I have with Gay marriage is that it will allow for multiple partner marriages. Because honestly how can you discriminate against multiple partner marriage (MPM) when they use all the same reasons as those who a pro-gay marriage. MPM people love each other, MPM people care for each other too, and there is actually a massive amount of precedence, historically for MPM. So please tell me what will be the LGBT justitification for discriminating against MPM people. I believe that MPM will be the biggest civil rights issue in the next ten years because that's how long it'll take to put down all the haters, right.

John Hosty-Grinnell

AmericanSDL.com, let me know when you have multiple reports each week of GLBT people attacking heterosexuals who are peacefully going about their daily routines.

Until you can acknowledge the wrongs society does to GLBT people don't expect to be taken too seriously with these trivial matters you bring up. Honestly, the slippery slope argument? You can't do better than that?!

MH

oh how i just luuuuuuv seeing all you poor breeders out there squirming away and gettin' caught lying left and right! LMAO! Oh what would jeeeebus do indeed! LMFAO!

T. Beers

I voted for gay rights. I am a straight male.

I would proudly sport a bumper sticker that said " Straight guy for gay rights"

John Hosty-Grinnell

Thanks for the kind words T. Beers. The world is better with people like you voicing their opinions. The fear of ridicule has kept so many silent for so long; it's nice to see there's still some courage left our there in our country. Undoubtedly your children will grow up knowing that fairness is one of the most important things to believe in and support.

Best wishes to you, and thanks again.

The Patriot

Hey T-Beers, I guess you like to intimidate people and threaten them with violence too;

Pressure tactics subvert dialogue
Gloucester Daily Times

Those who call for parents to be allowed to know what their children are being taught in public school are purveyors of "hate speech."

That is the absurd message from Know Thy Neighbor, a pro-gay marriage group that, sadly, relies on intimidation rather than dialogue to promote its dogmatic philosophy that anybody who disagrees is a "hater."

Sadder still, the group's intimidation tactics have now shut down a chance for dialogue in Gloucester between those of different views.

Cape Ann Marriage and Family, a group that has been active in seeking a statewide referendum on gay marriage, had planned a meeting this Saturday at Valentino's, a Main Street pizza parlor, that was to feature a lecture by David Parker of Lexington.

Parker is suing the state for the right to be notified when issues regarding sexuality, including gay marriage, are taught in his young son's school. His case was initially dismissed but is on appeal.

His complaint arose in 2005, when his 5-year-old son came home from school with a children's book that portrayed families headed by same-sex couples.

This, in the view of Know Thy Neighbor's Tom Lang, of Manchester, means that Parker finds "the mere existence of gay people" to be harmful to children - a vast distortion of Parker's complaint.

Lang contacted Armando Marnoto, co-owner of Valentino's, and told him that if the restaurant hosted the meeting, Know Thy Neighbor might organize a protest.

There is some dispute about why the event will not happen there. Marnoto says it is because Cape Ann Marriage and Family had not confirmed the event or made a deposit. The group says it was due to pressure from Know Thy Neighbor.

But the Know Thy Neighbor tactic is typical. During the petition drive seeking to put gay marriage on the ballot, the group posted on its Web site the names of those who signed the petition. Lang claimed this had nothing to do with intimidation - a laughable assertion, since the whole idea was to help gay marriage advocates accuse any neighbors who supported the referendum of being haters.

Lang and others who object to Parker's message have every right to protest and oppose that message. But if they truly think they have a convincing case to make, they could do it much better by arguing the merits, rather than waving signs that hurl blanket epithets at those who disagree with them.

The glory of free speech is hearing all sides of an issue, not trying to shout down one side or another with absurd insults.

One wonders what Lang would do if his own young son came home with a book from school that declared that the only legitimate families were those headed by a father and a mother. Surely he would demand to know what his son was being taught, so he could argue his own case.

The issue, on the surface, is about gay marriage. But the deeper issue is parental rights. The topics could be war and peace, the environment, gun control or any of a host of others.

Does Know Thy Neighbor really think parents should have no right to know what their children are being taught in school? If so, that is a debate well worth having.

It is sad that it won't happen because some would rather intimidate than debate.

ryan charisma

Wow,

That's an awful lot of half-truths there Patriot.

Lying makes the baby Jesus cry.

The Patriot

LET THE PEOPLE VOTE!

John Hosty-Grinnell

Patriot, you have been working too hard, take a vacation from blogging... I insist! :)

MH

WOW! Is this a-hole Jameison still whining after 5 years?!? LMAO!

John Hosty-Grinnell

OK folks, I've unblocked Patriot. Our policy here at KTN is one of inclusion for everyone, those who disagree with us angrily are no exception. We've had time to grieve over our loss in Maine in peace, now it's back to work confronting our neighbors with the truth.

I know some of you don't agree with this policy, feel free to vent if you desire.

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